I believe this particular bullet is meant for the 9mm,but drops at 358. Bullseye is the classic pistol powder and the backbone of many pet loads. Hehe, back before Nick skimmed down. Reloading Data for .38 Special - Load Data - 1895Gunner. (Cowboy Action) 38 Special (Cowboy Action) 38-40 Win. Use the lead bullet loads with the plated and you will be fine. Current J frame factory grips have similar features and are made of a stiffer compound. Word to the wise: all handgun cartridges (with the likely exception of .44 Magnum and maybe even .357 Magnum) are underpowered for self-defense. I reached an interesting number the other day. I recently bought trail boss and it runs fine out of my 14-3. Like Wobbly. Like almost all pistol cartridges called ".38" the .38 Special actually takes .357" diameter bullets. This 1911 halved its normal so-so accuracy with 200-grain Hornady C/T SWC, shooting this nice two-inch group. Josh Wayner is a Michigan native, active competitor, Grand Valley State University alumni, troublemaker, and fiction author. The 9mm Bullseye load is a good stand-in for either training or match ammo, with the velocity putting the power factor comfortably over the minimum for action sports without too much extra oomph. They are true classics, and I hope you get as much use out of them! Load manuals often advise against downloading .38 Special jacketed loads to prevent squibs, especially the 110 and 125 grain bullets. Recoil is the good kind that reminds the shooter handguns are serious tools but without eliciting a flinch. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 38 special , bullseye, and 125 grain lead rnfp Handloading, Reloading, and Bullet Casting : The Firing Line Forums > The Skunkworks > Handloading, Reloading, and . It doesnt appear like there is much of an advantage in using WST with lighter weight bullets. Maybe its just my age, but I may never shoot a 38 again after discovering the 32. Replaced w/ Altamont laminated wood, and later w/ open- back Pachmayrs- the less-pronounced finger grooves fit me better. This is good, because the snub takes a lot of practice to have a consistent capability. The key to those rounds, in spite of their paltry muzzle velocity of something like 825 feet per second out of a snubbie, is their diameter and mass: they will make significant diameter holes and penetrate respectably in attackers. That isnt unique to Bullseye, but is certainly more pronounced with the relatively small charges required. I'm new to reloading, starting off with a single stage Lee press reloading .38 special and .357 magnum with Lee's 4 die carbide set. (See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.). When you could leave city limits and just about every dirt mound in sight, was a plinking range. Good point Len. I have a few 30-30 cases modified to shoot singles with a very light load. I estimate that the price for each of the three loads runs between $7 and $8 per box of 50. Load with 38 S&W data. The powder charges used for .38 are forgiving. As a result, Ive been able to spend far more time practicing with it rather than fussing with it. Does anyone have experience with loading WST for 125 gr plates bullets or a place to start the research/testing? I load it almost exclusively though with either a powder coated or plated 125 grn bullet. My M60 came w/ factory banana grips- open back, long enough for pinkie rest but too small in girth behind the trigger guard. A longer case, with have a tighter crimp them a shorter one, what will lead to variations in pressure, and accuracy. I dont own anything in .38 special yet, but I have plans to buy a .357 magnum revolver in near future, so I already reloaded couple thousands of rounds in .38 and .357. Just shows the importance of trying/checking the feel of a gun and if possible, test firing it, before you buy it. The swaged bullets are soft enough that they expand even at mild velocities where a JHP or hard cast cant. Zero 158 grain swaged SWC, Starline brass, Winchester or Federal primer, 2.8 grains of Bullseye, roll crimp. looks like today. Shoots well in my K-38, 686, and a friend's K-38 at 50 yards in the Ransom rest. A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion, I'm looking for an accurate load using 125gr bullets. 38 special was also my first cartridge to reload, and one of my greatest loves for reloading to this day. My brother put CT laser grips on his wifes M36. If you're looking for a real light load that's easy to shoot, I'd just use WW's data for the W231 with a 125 gr. 10 for a full cylinder. I'm still hunting for a DR load for my S&W M19-5. I am loath to shoot several cylinders of standard pressure/velocity .38 Special 125 grain bullets out of a Smith and Wesson Model 642 revolver (or similar). Power Pistol won't work for me. When using a 158 gr. Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue. I did start out fawning over all of the tactical gear, but once I had that covered my tastes matured I think to love the wood and steel guns. Rules say (e) Ammunition- Any safe .38 caliber ammunition using the 158 grain round nose or Semi-Wadcutter bullet only. I keep it under my seat in case I get an unwanted intruder and I cant get to my IWB semi auto. Yeah, my wifes last gun, with +P it actually HURTS! Classics go well together: circa 1909 S&W .38 Special and traditional 148-grain wadcutter load of 2.7 grains of Bullseye. Notes: primer: CCI 500; case: Speer; NOTE: All loads are maximum. A revolver shooting .38 SPL only requires the power of your finger to make it fire and can thus be loaded with ammo that is extremely mild or hotter than hot. 2) Ammo that would work in the Air Force's Air Crewman Colt's and Smith and Wesson revolvers that had weak alloy cylinders. During my first half century on this planet, my caliber of choice for defense was 45 ACP- but for everything else it was always 38 SPL. Just depends on what kinds of loads you plan to shoot. Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue. The use of .38 +P+ level (25,000 27,500 psi) type reloads, in .357 brass. A cold header, at their basic level, are multi ton power presses laying down on their side. The best part about this is that not only do you never really lose your fired cases, but you they are always in great condition. 10. An early Les Baer .45 knotted a group of the lead SWCs into a tight 1.3-inch group, while an M&P .45 did 1.25 inches. Bullseye is the classic pistol powder and the backbone of many pet loads. Even at hot .44 mag velocities my Super Redhawk has shiny bore with zero leading. Last time we took it to the range, I was trying to cycle the old +P ammo to load standard Lehigh ammo, I fired one shot, put the gun down and cursed while shaking my hand. Hi. I did find a 145 grain Lead HP with a rounded ogive (like the last NyClad) on Gunbroker that opens really well if you get above 800 fps. Love my 642 for concealed carry, but have an SP101 (also a snubby) in .38 special (only) for use on the range. Reading the "WARNING" on the site, it states to not exceed the loads published and to start 10% below the loads shown and work up from there. 2 and No. JHP, 125 gr. Using bullets from Hornady HP-XTP, Hornady HP-XTP or FP-XTP, Hornady FP-Cowboy, Hornady HBWC, Hornady SWC-HP, SWC or LRN. Interesting. 9 and others like 2400 that are generally used for magnums). IMHO .38 special is just fine for self defense, but just not enough to crack engine blocks. Unique was a sooty powder so Ive switched to W231. Brass collection is easy since it doesnt eject. *WAP is not best choice for .38 special, too slow and inconsistent. Magnum 44 S&W Special 45 Colt 45 Auto 45 G.A.P 9mm Luger 9x18mm Makarov 32 S&W Long (Cowboy Action) 32-20 Win. more weight than the similar size CA .44 Bulldog, were available, a lot more people would also like the .44 spl. Good shootin! Does anyone have any luck with Jacked Bullets. The Bullseye powder pushed five into two inches flat for another 1911 that is typically a four-inch gun. I carried a lightly customized 4 inch heavy barrel model 10 for years, with a black cerakote job. Some people then claimed SAAMI raised the 357 Mag to 45,000. I went to the grocery store to buy a loath of bread.. Youd just be risking ALOT firing it in a .38 framed revolver. I soon traded off a Colt Frontier Scout .22 LR for an S&W Model 15 and happily chased all manner of small game and landfill targets with my stash of wadcutters. Especially if you reload. in a belt holster at 4:00. Each of the classic loads is also economical. Posted March 19, 2015. 358430 (195 grain) round nose bullet that was used in the old 200 grain police loads as there is always interest in these. 110gr JHP! No sh!t. Ive not had a handgun entirely reject either load, so the recipe seems to be a worthy third alongside the previous .38 and .45. Anyone that uses a J frame S&W should seriously think about swapping grips, and finding which set works for them. .38 Special (Using Hornady Bullets) reloading data with 353 loads. The .38 Special remains very popular for personal protection and Michelle Hamilton shares her thoughts on the top loads for concealed carry, like this 158-grain SWCHP FBI Load, based on her testing. I wanted a good carry gun that was light and reliable, so I decided that the .38 would fit and I just went with it. Posted: 4/17/2014 10:53:09 AM EST. 38 Special +P 18,500 Boolit Grand Master. The cartridge offers a great deal of zest and has thousands of possible load combinations. One cool load Im working on is two pellets of 000 Buck.. Currently using Titegroup, but started out with, and loaded many thousands of rounds, with Bullseye. Even better, is get some 38 S&W brass. Thanks for the guidance and suggestions. There really is a recently developed technology that prevents leading, while eliminating messy lubricants. Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. Maybe its just me, but having that tiny bit of extra length and weight in the cylinder that I was never going to use just kinda bothered me. True enough that it doesnt make power factor for Custom Defensive Pistol in IDPA or major in USPSA competition. I picked some up from my local Scheels yesterday. Due to different barrel lengths, type of bullet, seating depth, primer type and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted. Midway has it in stock. Hence I carry a semi-auto pistol chambered in .40 S&W. Therefore, your platform yields a lot of safety cushion with target loads. Therefore, .38 Special +P ammo can be as much as 17.5 percent hotter than standard .38 Special. He loves this gun and keeps it in reach 24/7. So . Plated bullets are to be loaded as lead bullets. References: Accurate Arms Co. 1996 Reloading booklet Alliant Powder Co. Reloaders Guide (1995) Hodgdons Basic Reloaders Manual (1996) Speer Reloading Manual, #12 Winchester Reloading Components Manual, 14th edition Lyman Piston & Revolver Reloading Handbook, 2nd edition. For those who have issues using auto pistils, due ti arthritis or other medical issues with the hands an LCR or 642 is a great choice. Testing out some bullseye with 125 berry's bullets.. They all shot horrible at 25 yards. The reason I love the .38 SPL so much is because its so elastic in function. You can always back off to the .32 S&W Long or .32 H&R Mag if you choose to. In my time spent with the .38, I have come to greatly appreciate it for what it is and does. I used to reload .38s and .357s with 158 grain LSWC bullets over 4.3 and 6.5 grains of Unique. I don't have a chronograph, but have considered picking one up. If there is a search function for these forums (didn't see one) I'd be happy to use that too Go to the Alliant website and find the data for Unique and Bullseye. These have a good profile- longer at the top where the middle finger rides, and shorter where the pinkie rests. Depending on the drill, 200-grain .45s let shooter push faster or use available time to shoot better, with significantly less recoil than hardball. Alliant Pistol/Revolver Load Data: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. Paste as plain text instead, rattlesnake of a revolver made me bleed. All right are Reserved Reload Ammo, Reloading The .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol), hi=849 lo=728 ES=122 (powder up and down), hi=821 lo=684 ES=137 (powder up and down), hi=815 lo=637 ES=178 (powder in normal positions), hi=714 lo=549 ES=165 (powder up and down), hi=758 lo=693 ES=65 (powder up and down)(DO NOT USE LESS), Hi=886, Lo=861, ES=25 (This is a Carolina Cast bullet SWC-great cowboy load), hi=859 lo=743 ES=116 *(my personal medium load), hi=875 lo=685 ES=190.2(powder up and down), hi=710 lo=497 ES=213 (powder up and down), hi=791 lo=625 ES=166 (Powder up and down), hi=785 lo=670 ES=115 (powder up and down), hi=801, low=766 ES=35.32 in Contender 14 bbl. 9 mm, .40 sw, 45 acp, .44 mag. Javascript is required. .38 special has got to be one of the best calibers there is . Ive done the majority of shooting in .38 Special in my Smith & Wesson 642. All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 Special. 5 are good choices. As anyone learns quickly, first thing that needs to be done is to replace the small factory S&W grips (I use Hogue) so you can hold onto the gun. Bullets are .357 for jacketed and .358 for lead in diameter. I may have to rethink my plan. Wes, SASS Wire rules prohibit posting specific load data on the forum, but it can be passed along via private message or email. Bullseye is one of the oldest smokeless pistol powders and still one of the most popular. What overal length of the cartridge? I dont bother polishing my .38 brass because I just dont let it fall in the mud or dirt. Enough that the range Officer at my range recognized them because the muzzle blast made a distinctive cat whisker pattern at 8 and 10, and 2 and 4 o clock. Any hotter and we get into a recoil issue. Load it using wadcutter specs, and seat the bullet flush, like a wadcutter. i use a Lee mold 150 round nose with 4 grains of bullseye crimped into the crimp groove of the bullet. Coming in 30 grains lighter and 80 fps slower than hardball, as well as being lead rather than jacketed, the 200/4.6 SWC is amazingly soft. The pistol or revolver of good quality is vital. Min Charge Max Charge Optimal Charge Bullet Make Bullet Type Primer Notes; Hodgdon - 700-X: 125 gr. Jack it up a notch and go with .327 Federal Magnum. 8.) Content . Think a lot of people would find that a .44 special or .45 Colt, in a decent revolver, a viable alternate to a pistol. Forget about it. I havent shot too many full house Casull loads, but I get a huge grin when shooting my reduced loads of 7.5grs of Trail Boss under a Cast Performance 360gr WLFN. Alliant listed 3.6 gr Bullseye as maximum (15000 psi) in 38 Special and 3.8 as max in 38 Special PLUS P (17000 psi) with 158 LSWC bullets. It is a very versatile and useful round. They are low because of swaged bullets. (Note: These are near maximum loads (in some cases ARE MAXIMUM), you should use 10%. The cold header swages a bullet in one or two strokes. My Lyman 49th has data for 125 gr JHP and 120 gr LRN. I have not loaded plated bullets in quite some time, since they are not useful for my accuracy needs. WAP, WMR, WSF, WSL, 760, 748, 231 and 540 are products of Winchester, Components Div. Reduce by 10% to establish a starting charge weight. And for 99% of the actual real world needs of a citizen for self defense it will work just fine. Have you all found different seat depths to work better than what's in the manual? And I still think a 158 at 600 beats hell out of a 22 magnum of any stripe. That revolver is aluminum and cannot handle the pressure of 9MM. If she had shot more, I would have probably bought another set of dies, to prevent the need for changing adjustments between the two. of Bullseye, 148 gr lead DEWC and Federal 100 primers. load is 4.4 grains for 38 special and 5.0 grains is a +P load. Just got back into reloading 38 special again after a long hiatus with no revolver, and was instantly reminded of what a joy it is to reload. There seems to be a dearth of information using WST powder for the 38 Spl cartridge. These are the bullets I bought: 158 gr from Roze dist. Both are excellent fight stoppers. Where many shooters quickly tire of even standard-pressure .38 in the little five-shooters, the wadcutter invites cylinder after cylinder of practice. And this is a guy who normally trusted nothing but a 45 acp. If I get to see him shoot those loads, it would be worth the price of a new keyboard! You are spot on about Trail Boss, that stuff is magical with cast reloads. Using higher pressure loads will wear brass out faster and it will become brittle with time. it seems awful confusing, but with time you will be able to interpolate the published data into something that will give you good starting points to work up your loads. 9.) It is less of an issue on a progressive press, but still requires attention.
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